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Author Topic: Lunging video - advice please (new vid added)  (Read 667 times)
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2011, 11:35:43 AM »

This is a really good suggestion. I always use +R rather than flooding, but I don't really have any issues with whips, mine get used to them as non threatening very early on, due to the fact they are only used when accompanied by polos! It's not always very quick, it took me a year to get our young dales pony (but only a few sessions) used to a headcollar after his bad experience using *only* +R, but now he rushes up to "come and put his face in", as I ask them, so it was well worth it. Totally agree. IW is another person who is brilliant at ground work BTW.

Sarah, you know I hesitate to give any training advice at all, but Chloe's plea was so heartfelt on the other thread, and what is more, she is obviously a word person - she has understood and put into practice what was in words, which is not always easy for everyone. It is sometimes easier for people like myself who started off totally incompetent, and really had to put effort into learning everything to achieve an average competence, to help others starting out than people who have an instinctual ability to work with horses.

Sue, I wasnt criticising you or Jo for giving advice and I actually agree with what has been said and think you have both given great advice, sorry, I did mean to write that but forgot  doh
I am just reluctant to give body awareness type of advice myself as I find it quite an in depth subject and wasnt sure what I could add to the good advice already given without writing a whole rambling essay.  ouch
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2011, 11:39:11 AM »

Sue, I have slowly been disensitizing Pinto to whips for 6 years, and he is now 500% better than he was.  In the beginning he couldn't even be in the same space as one if there was one propped against a wall.

He will actually target a short stick very nicely, but he is very  astute.  He knows when one is being used "with intent."  So he can be ridden in a group lesson when others are carrying whips and be OK.  He tends to get worried if you are riding with one in your hand, and he is hypersensitive to it, but is generally OK.  The problems really arise if you are on the ground with one, and I can only think that somewhere in his past he has been abused, or that he has done something wrong and he has been punished for it.

For a long time he would try and climb the walls in his box, sweating from head to toe, eyes rolling if you went into the box with a whip or a rope.

He used to get so worried if he did anything "wrong"  e.g. not long after I moved to my yard about 5 years ago, I lunged him by myself for the first time, just in a headcollar and line - no whips or anything.  After about 10 minutes I tried to move him up to canter, and after a couple of strides he whipped round wrenching the lane out of my hand.  I then couldn't catch him, I couldn't get within 20 feet of him.  I ended up calling a friend and I actually had to leave the manege and go out of sight before he would calm down enough to be caught - and he walked straight up to my friend, so it wasn't that he was scared of the trailing line.  Once he was back in his box, he still wouldn't let me anywhere near him.  Only when the box door was closed and he was "safe" did he lose some of the tension.

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to go sooo off topic, but I did just want to highlight thati think there are somethings which are going to take longer than others to put right.

At the moment I would rather Pinto be not so active on the lunge and be happier with me holding a whip (no matter where it is) than him rushing around being worried and tense.  And I'm not trying to let his Pinto-isms be an excuse either, I do want us to improve and I'm taking all you are saying on board, honest wink

I dont think you are making excuses atall, every horse is different and unique as is each persons relationship with that horse and you are just explaining a little of where the two of you are at.
In which case I would say you are doing the right thing generally with the idea of how you are using the whip indirectly.
I do think its useful to be able to have a horse accept a whip for direction and if the best way to approach this at this stage is obliquely then that is fine.
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