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orangezebra
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« on: June 24, 2011, 05:12:52 PM »

Help please!

I have a soon to be 6 lady called Whinney. She apparently did all sorts in the year she was backed (4) including jumping but it is most likely 90% of this was a lie.

I have had her just over a year, did lots of longlining out and about and had just started riding when it snowed and everything went crazy. Ive brought her back into work with more longlining and gentle hacking. I cannot find a bit she is happy in so am currently riding in a dually headcollar.

Riding wise she seems very very green to me, if I so much as put my leg against her side as a wall if shes prancing sideways about something it means trot flat out. Same with any leg movement to be honest. Halting is only done by heavy hands, which i hate but anything else she just barges through, closing my seatbones is ignored entirely :(.  Standing has improved a lot, out of necessity at junctions  ouch. If we do have a trot on the road she gets faster and faster despite slowing my rise etc.

So suggestions, thoughts, where am I going wrong, what can I do do improve?

Thankyou  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2011, 06:42:24 PM »

you dont say what kind of breed whinney is but 6 is still young in anyones book, particularly some of the bigger draft / warmblood type horses who can take until 8 or 9 to get a real maturity about them.

First off rule out pain......... check your tack, have a check over your mare for any tension spots / soreness - even better get a bodyworker out if finances are up to it  wink  Once the pain factor has been ruled out you can move onto schooling / behavioural issues.

Often a common cause of rushing is imbalance of the horse and / or lack of confidence.  A good way of solving both is to slow everything down and get her to pay attention to YOU!

On the ground I would do simple obedience work, preferably in a cavesson and lunge line (you in hat and gloves) and work on leading with her walking very slowly by your side - whenever she starts to pull, make her halt and then start again.  Everytime she walks nicely and halts nicely make a fuss of her - I advocate clicker training, its a brilliant way of communicating exactly what you want in a positive way.
Set yourself up to succeed - just walk a few steps at a time so she doesnt get chance to "tram on" and then halt and praise.  Then you can start doing some lateral stepping work on a circle like a leg yeild on a circle  wink  this will get her thinking about how she places her legs, help co-ordination and balance and it will start to strengthen her HQ's which will help when ridden.  It will also help her understand the leg aids when you get back on in that pressure against her side doesnt mean GO GO GO!! lol!
As her attention and obedience improves you can let her out on small circles while you walk a circle to - this means the circles are not to small but she also isnt to far away from you to loose her attention.  Get her used to walk / halt commands and "steady" again to be transfered to ridden.  When she is understanding all this and is calm and attentive you can do the same kind of work in trot - and then in canter.  but start off with short bursts so again she doesnt get chance to get onward bound.

When you get back on her, you can do the same kind of exercises as you did in hand - the lateral stepping, the walking / halting so she is attentive and really listening to your aids and not running through you.

If you get your communication right it wont take long before she really listens to you and if you really praise the good stuff she will really want to get it right!  Of course this may take a few attempts for it to sink in as a habit.....  so dont get frustrated, do little and often, if she barges through your aids, turn a small circle and ask again.  Dont get into an argument, be calm and she will also become calm once she understands.

It will take quite a bit of effort from your part at first, she might be a little reluctant to relinquish "boss status"  whistle laugh but if you can persevere it will be more than worth it  thumbs
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2011, 08:44:45 AM »

Hi Orangezebra - whinny is lovely  wub  I think there could well be a good dose of TB in there, her face in particular look very TB! 

I found this video this morning that does a better job of explaining what I was trying yesterday !!

Crooked stallion back on track due Straightness Training - Marijke de Jong


here is a link to some WIH i did with Antsje - its not perfect!! put hopefully will give you a visual of what I was trying to put into words yesterday  Smiley

http://dressage-junkie.blogspot.com/2010/02/video-warm-up.html

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 01:38:18 PM »

Just a thought - is she definitely the age you think she is? Only asking 'cos you have doubts about the seller  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 10:16:25 AM »

what a beautiful horse! wub
imho you should really reback your horse - start from scratch.  desensitize her (sounds like she's overly sensitive to the leg?), calm her, get her RELAXED about the whole riding thing wink.
and agree with Vicky.....ground work coupled with voice cues translates very well to under saddle nod.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 03:57:24 PM »

Hi OZ. Its me, yvonnemzz.  I'm not too far from you and would love to help out if I can. I train with Becky Holden once a month and have found her inhand and long line training invaluable. I do it all the time with my guys and especially my 17.3 KWPN, who would be like a runaway tank if it wasn't for all the slow work (as described by epona) and patience .. lots of it!!!  Give me a call or pm me for my number. I could do with meeting up with someone from our group again. By the way, have you been to Heather's yet for your 10 days? Regards, Y.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 04:55:42 PM »

Ten day intensive is in August Yvonne. It would be great if you could work with OZ- what a very attractive mare that is!! thumbs

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 08:13:48 PM »

Gosh I never thought to query her age  wallbash hmm I think she is very immature for 6 but then some are, and i dont believe shes done all shes sposed to have done, def not jumped which i was told she had and well  rant

oo yvonne thats a good idea, us getting together  Cheesy I shall pm you this minute!

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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 01:56:53 PM »

I don't often go up to E Yorks.  Not sure how far Lincoln is from you, but if you fancy a trip out, you can come and play with Gazdag.  He knows all the stuff Epona is talking about like the back of his hoof, lol, so he could show you what you are aiming for.  We're between Lincoln and Newark.
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