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« on: May 03, 2011, 08:08:43 PM »

I think Kai would really enjoy trotting about everywhere and it would give me a great way to exercise him since he's way too small for me to ride...ideas?

I've not done much long reining with him but he's been ace with what little bits I have done, is pretty much entirely bombproof and is always up for a laugh...
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 10:36:27 PM »

If you really want to do this, it is a good idea to contact the British Driving Society in your local area. Driving people tend to be extremely friendly and helpful in my experience. It is not at all difficult to teach a pony to pull a trap, but there are a lot of safety considerations to take into account and different skills that you need before you venture out. A few lessons with a qualified instructor will cover all this, and they will help you set up your training schedule. You need to do quite a lot "off road" as a whip (driver) before you go out, and your pony needs to do quite a lot of preparatory work pulling non wheeled objects before he is put to. Driving is great fun, I have driven all round central London with a shetland and trap!, and I intend to take it up again once I have retired.

http://www.britishdrivingsociety.co.uk/

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 11:21:26 PM »

I've always fancied one of these...

http://naturaldriving.co.uk/
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 06:14:14 AM »

Thanks folks - there are a few local driving people I know and I'm quite prepared to rope Abi into helping me train Kai if I do decide to do this. I didn't realise you could have lessons though, that's cool!

And funny you should mention it intouch - looking at YouTube videos of the Saddle Chariot last night is what gave me the idea - how cool to take ickle pony off-roading with his friends Cheesy I saw one of these in action at Your Horse Live a few years ago and loved it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 01:07:07 PM »

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videos of the Saddle Chariot last night is what gave me the idea
We had a little and large of these and used them for about 18 months including displays, pm me if you want more info, can't really say on forum Lips Sealed
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 01:30:48 PM »

It's very simple to teach (at least it's fairly straightforward)  if you have a non-spooky good egg to start with but it's TERRIBLY important as Sue has suggested to get lessons about the safety stuff!!!

I had to learn to drive as part of an old farm manager job I had and although I didn't much care for it at the time (I was much more interested in eventing and dressage) I would love to get into it now. I do have a pony but he's a rescue and although coming along well, he has quite the spook in him and is quick to dis-trust. You are lucky if your boy is bombproof! You should have a heap of fun!
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 09:17:38 PM »

I've PM'ed you Lacey Smiley

Thanks Lyndsey - I've put a lot of work into leading him out and about and he spent a year living alongside the M5 motorway so has seen pretty much everything there is to see. Plus he's just an all-round cool dude.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 09:46:43 PM »

Have replied to all of you that asked  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2011, 12:35:18 PM »

Can I just say that lessons are crucial not only from a safety point of view but also from the horse's. If you don't know what you're doing you can cause damage, for example bruising from the shafts. My friend has an ex-Belgian carriage horse who has a permanent shoulder problem from his driving days.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2011, 02:25:28 PM »

I have done quite a lot of driving, both  professionally, doing weddings in the area for the owner of two set ups and years ago for a farmer with a loopy, coloured driving pony who he became frightened of due to his habit of running away while in harness! He was rather keen, but I weighed his 4 wheel flat bed cart down with as many humans I could muster and that slowed him down a lot! I drove along main roads, country lanes and right into the city of Bath, waiting for brides outside churches and outside the Pump Rooms in front of Bath Abbey, surrounded by swarms of Japanese tourists ten deep. Gerry was a really marvellous driving horse - he was a 16hh chestnut cob gelding  and he had a Victoria 4 wheel carriage, which seats four, plus the driver and groom. Bill was the other horse who was used commercially for driving and he also pulled a Victoria. He was a bit fast and took a lot of holding at times but he looked very impressive as he was a smart welsh section D and was jet black.
I broke my 12:3hh palomino pony, Sunny Boy to harness about 8 years ago and I now use him to harrow the school every week but I don't have a cart for him at present. He finds it hard work too as the sand drags up and makes the harrow pretty heavy. Dont under-estimate the effort needed to pull anything without wheels.
The best way is to have had some lessons from an expert and get the pony/cart/harness/road safety issues understood. Double check that your pony really is 100% in ALL traffic, because if he is not absolutely bomb proof don't break him to drive him at all as the car drivers are often highly inconsiderate towards driving horses and ponies to say the least.
So, with that established, the first thing is to long rein him - a lot - practice turning left and right, trotting and walking and make sure he understands 'whoa' and 'stand' before finding a well fitting harness, with a well fitting blinker bridle. Then you need to long rein him in the blinker bridle and harness to accustom him to that lot - the crupper can cause alarm for some horses at first, but this often is short lived.  If this is all going well and with no hang ups, you will now be ready to introducing some 'weight' for him to drag in a safe enclosed area - a tyre works well, have a friend with you from now on and get the friend to attach the tyre to the traces with some easy to cut bailing twine and I also use a a quick release clip too, but carrying a flick knife to cut harness at all times is essential in case of emergencies. Be very careful not to let the traces drop too low as they hang by his sides towards the tyre as he may get his hind leg over them and get in a muddle. When I am arena levelling and therefore dragging an object, rather than pulling a wheeled cart, I take the traces through the shaft tugs and also through the buckled up breeching straps to keep them nice and high up. Really all driving horses need to become accustomed to getting in a muddle with lines or such like going anywhere though, to prepare them for if it happens by accident.  I drape detatched lunge reins or driving lines over their bodies and wrap them under their tummies to accustom them to this. I reward with food treats for good behaviour and calmness and never rush. Once they are accustomed to dragging a tyre, progress to two tyres to make a greater weight to pull, but dont over face the pony as he will probably refuse to pull at all if its too heavy.
As for the carts and carriages, I personally prefer a cart that has some simple braking system on it - its nice to have brakes to help the horse or pony out when going downhill, as otherwise they have to sit on the breaching to stop the cart pushing them forwards but many of the cheap exercise carts don't have any brake system at all fitted. It is possible to have someone come out and make a cart to suit you and your pony, which is a lovely way to ensure it is balanced right and fits nicely. Four wheelers are easy to use and the balance is not so totally critical for the horse or pony as four wheelers do not put any weight onto the animals back - as a two wheeler does.

In my experience the driving community is a friendly one, but many of the old fashioned ones like I learned with are a very different sort from the riding people I know now! LOL! I am not prepared to say why though! nod
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 02:33:26 PM »

Sunny Boy levelling the arena at home




Driving Gerry for a wedding in Bristol
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 03:41:30 PM »

This is probably no help what so ever, as we are probably miles away - but Pippa gives driving lessons and has a very good reputation for them locally. Smiley

It was quite funny - loads of people would tell me to break Rolo to harness and I would say no - he is not the right temprament. Pippa came out to fit a saddle for me - I mentioned it to her, and she instantly said no - too sharp! (And other than a tiny spook, he was very good when she was there! laugh)

Her lippis spend the winter on my Y/Os land - they are lovely boys - but huge!

http://www.broomells.com/pippa-in-competition
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 06:58:45 PM »

Thanks folks!

Good point Ros, I hadn't really given much thought to the harness - just sort of assumed it was a simple fit. Will definitely make sure Kai's harness fits well as he's too awesome to jeopardise (plus he may well still end up being a Pony Club pony down the line - if the right rider comes along I'll let them crack on with him as I also have the two girls to ride).

Sunnyboy is gorgeous Flyingfox! Are you still in the Bristol area? Just wondering as I am and if you're local could I come spend a day with you? devil

Methinks Pippa's way too far away but thanks for the though Bradders - the photos on that site are awesome!
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2011, 10:30:11 AM »


Sunnyboy is gorgeous Flyingfox! Are you still in the Bristol area? Just wondering as I am and if you're local could I come spend a day with you? devil


Of course you can - you can have a go at levelling my arena with Sunny Boy  devil devil

No - seriously - he will be great to show you long reining - although Flying Fox, my big horse is an expert on long reins too.

I live near Frome, North Somerset.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2011, 05:07:59 PM »

Ooh, not too far at all, I can do most weekends to suit you, just let me know when you're free for me to come visit and I'll be there yahoo
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