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Author Topic: Forwards vs fitness - my plan with Lottie ( she of an ample bottie!!)  (Read 980 times)
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hilary
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« on: April 07, 2011, 07:56:49 PM »

Just wanted to say a  big thankyou to everyone for getting me thinking!

I have been reading all the posts on forwardness, on trannies ( sitions rather than vestites laugh), on discussion re the giravolta , and the slower the better to help engage the core , impulsive flexions, and also to Jeanette ( think she may be on here -  another hippo owner) who said that you only came to realise AK was classical , when you had read some classical.

With Lottie -  she has great core stability , but has not been athletically c-v ( cardiovascular ) wise fit  -  a point I need to address.  I have found this difficult as , using an example that Sarah found that B ddnt like to hack as much as she thought once he had a choice) Lottie's choice would be that she really thinks it sacriligious ( excuse spelling) to canter over perfectly good food laugh

In the school we got to a  trot which has plenty of up and down ( I found it so hard to rise to) but not so much forwards. I didn't want to sacrifice the spring , and get forward and flat, but found it very difficult to get the transition within a pace  -   this is coming v slowly I think from SI then onwards, and also the "impulsive" flexions which PK used a lot in his clinic.

I have also been hacking, and using this as our c-v work  -  there is a lot more neg reinforcement here , though we stop for breaks etc and it is improving.I do need to improve her lungs ( and one day she may appreciate this).

One of AKs exercises for forwardness , is a loop , where you have a mat in the middle, go round a cone, using your hands as a tai chi wall ( important they don't fall in on their shoulder. Putting it into different terminology, the turn round the cone can become a turn, or half a giravolta, with the aim that the hind leg steps right onto their body in order to push off, and get extra impulsion towards the mat ( or bucket ) or whatever.

This weekend I went to a clinic  -  ( not pos reinforcement) and learnt loads about my pony and myself. I like the fact that my pony has "attitude" -  her response to someone activating her hind legs in not such a positive way from the ground ( me on top).  Her first time in an indoor away from home ,  and she came with me at liberty ( but "dressed") for me to get on. We certainly used the environment , or rather the instructor, to get forwards ( reverse to canter !!) , and it gave me a feel of what I should be aiming for. I learnt how strong hipos can be  -  and we might not talk about hands much -  but to me it is always the biggest difference. ( some want up, some down, whatever). I have he bit quite low in her mouth  - she mouths it and "carries" it   - this was the first time she had got her tongue over the bit  -  reaction to what was going on -  have never had a problem with whoa before!!
I met a whole group of new people who I am sure I will meet again, and had a really couple of positive comments about Lottie from a lady who knows a lot re natives, and someone else I respect and is auditing PK.


I am still looking for a sharer for Lottie and it gave me a lot of information  -  as allowing the horse to have opinion, may be taken as "naughty" by someone else. She travelled well, and was a pleasure to take. But... put her under pressure she is not used to , and she will voice an opinion.


What was the point of this post?
All your postings over the last few weeks has made me come to my plan. I want ( not sure if my pony does... but till we do) to do more Pleasure rides this year, so Lottie has to be fit. So.. we will do our fittening work out on hacks. And  ...she will get hot and sweaty !.
And in the school, we will use all the exercises, and remain as positive as possible. We still use pressure / release   -     or rather call it feel/release  ( that has a totally different connotation t)when ridden but kept as low as possible, for as long as necessary. Lateral work, impulsive flexions, combined with Aks exercises being the way ahead.

Thanks everyone for all the great discussions going on.








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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 08:05:22 PM »

I love Hipos  wub

That did make me laugh the way you said about 'cantering over good food '  laugh

Is there some way to motivate her into the faster work rather than using pressure to get it?
Would she go faster on the way home?  cc_confused
Or maybe have a special 'picnic' area where you can stop and get off and let her graze following the bit where you want her to go faster?
What about horsey company?
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 08:20:10 PM »

Yes, definitely better walk on the way home. We have loads of edges of fields toc anter round so not always easy to canter towards home.
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Horsey company is one reason I am looking for a sharer  -  so I can ride one of the others.

And we do stop for breaks ( though remembering the calories). I just  do, and I dont! want a sharer! Have advertised locally but not very hard .

Saying that, went crosscountry last year with a friend  -  we were doing baby baby stuff -  she fell in love with my friends horse, trotted around plus plus. Then my friend went  in one  direction to doa course, I in another to do a little bank and jumps, Lottie came down the bank, bronced across the field , under a tree ( hat crackling on leaves didnt help) I couldnt bend to a halt cos was in a dressage saddle on round pony, came to a halt laughing as I had told the instructor this was my quiet one!! Then went back and did trot /halt,.  IMagine thelwell pony and you got the picture!!!
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 08:40:30 PM »

 thumbs and  laugh at the final story. I think we need pics of hippo pone  whistle  I love how you open yourself up to all experiences and learn what you can from it, wish I had that knack.

Good luck finding a sharer, good plan if you can find the right person.

It's been very inspiring here lately and I must say thanks for the treat delivery nudge Hilary because today it really paid dividends, must get onto my blog and write some things up.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 09:11:04 PM »



Yeaah! Five attempts later!
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 09:21:41 PM »



This was Lottie going back to her stud where she was born. I was so proud of her  -  not for what she is doing in the photo. She was 2 at the time, and at lunch , she was tied up at the side ( I was 10 m away) . A friends 3 year old granddaughter ran up and touched as far up on her hind leg as she could ( not very far).Lottie stood there ( prob expectng her c/t - I did so much bottom hugging with her ( so she was safe for ids etc) she used to present me her bottom when I met her in the field ( stopped it then!)



The gang snoozing in the sunshine




A bit of inhand




And time for bed!!

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 09:34:23 PM »

Ahhh wub


This is kind of what I keep coming back to. I like riding my horse and she seems happier being ridden when she's fitter, to get her fitter though means persuading her to do things she may not actually want to do right then. Although at the moment she seems quite keen to go schooling, but can't be doing with hacking cc_confused A bit like I don't always (or more truthfully ever Embarrassed) want to go to work - but have to pay the bills.

In our case it's normally go past something she doesn't like so we can go far enough to do fittening work. But all this talk about not combining CT with any aversives or pressure left me feeling like the best thing was to just put the clicker away. Which seems sad as it's quite good fun and I just accept that she unlikely to ever offer stuff, I have to find the right situation to work on things.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 09:38:31 PM »

 wub what a beautiful, clever, talented girl Lottie is and you should be proud  nod I imagine on top of her natural talent you have put in a lot of great work.
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 09:54:39 PM »

Shes beautiful  wub wub

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 10:02:34 PM »



Although at the moment she seems quite keen to go schooling, but can't be doing with hacking cc_confused A bit like I don't always (or more truthfully ever Embarrassed) want to go to work - but have to pay the bills.

In our case it's normally go past something she doesn't like so we can go far enough to do fittening work. But all this talk about not combining CT with any aversives or pressure left me feeling like the best thing was to just put the clicker away. Which seems sad as it's quite good fun and I just accept that she unlikely to ever offer stuff, I have to find the right situation to work on things.

I've watched a couple of your vids and i think she is  wub If she isn't enjoying hacking why not take her out inhand on a long line and go for some walks together. Stop for some grass and make leaving home something she wants to do. Some horses (and i suspect she may be like this) show very little interest in stopping to graze at first and take a while to unwind enough when away from home.
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 10:04:23 PM »

And Lottie is  wub
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 10:17:41 PM »

Jane
It is hard, nothing in horses is black and white, lots of grey in there! And what I have seen of Hon she is lovely.

Jenny's advice is good. If you take her to near that she doesnt like to go past, and have a graze, then it may get more fun. One of mine is really spooky, and around our fields are the metal pheasant feeders, that I knew would be an issue. The first day I did in hand, then ridden  -  with a reward for touching each one   - I then had a horse that deviated towards any pheasant feeder laugh
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2011, 11:37:00 AM »

Just to prove me wrong she was very keen to go hacking today and only looked at a couple of things - she didn't even really spook - not for her anyhow laugh and there was plenty to spook at. rolleyes

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2011, 11:53:54 AM »

Contrary creature  ouch laugh
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 11:56:08 AM »

Contrary creature  ouch laugh

nope she's just a woman  whistle
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