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Author Topic: For VR - Clicker for picking up feet.  (Read 611 times)
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ash
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« on: October 13, 2010, 02:14:09 PM »

Right, just to stress from the outset, this is just how I did it.  I'm not saying that this is the only way to do it, doubtless more experienced clicker peeps than me found a better way.  I should also stress that Faith already knew how to pick up her feet, it was just her near hind that was causing me trouble, as she would pick it up, and as soon as it was held, she would start kicking back.  So this isn't really a starting from scratch plan, although it could be incorporated into one.

1. Make sure horse is on level, non slippy ground.

2. Run hand down leg and give normal request to pick up, click and treat as soon as the horse responds, accept anything from resting on it's toe, to picking up for a second, to longer picking up.

3.  Gradually, (and I do mean second by second, withold treat until horse is picking up and holding hoor up for maybe three seconds).

4. Introduce horse picking up foot, and you cupping hand around foot, again build up one second at a time.

I should say here, that it is often good to make sure you are not asking the horse to lift it's foot too high, just enough ground clearance for you to bend comfortably and get your hand around it is fine.

5. With hoof lifted and cupped in one hand, rub the sole and frog with the palm of the other hand, again building duration slowly (wear rubber gloves if muddy).

6. Introduce hoof pick and picking hoof out, again build duration, although you may not need to by the time you get to this stage.

Hopefully that should be enough.  If he is struggling with any part, go back to the earlier steps and build up again, the higher the reinforcement rate, the more motivated he will be.  Also just remember that with young horses, growth spurts may also affect their balance as well.

Hope that helps  Cheesy



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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2010, 03:17:06 PM »

Thanks Ash  thumbs It's actually very logical, I just needed someone to spell it out to me it seems  doh Kaz does understand picking up a foot, just not then keeping it still once I have his foot. Will pracitice & report back in a week or so!
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TashaKat
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 03:27:40 PM »

That's pretty much how I'd do it too  nod

One of the things that I take from Ben Hart is his shaping plans, it can be really useful to break whatever it is you're trying to do into small parts so that you're working step by step towards the goal rather than just trying to achieve the goal.


The point that I would stress, too, is that if it's not working go back a couple of steps because either somethings gone wrong or you've moved too fast.

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ash
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 03:40:02 PM »

Definitely agree with the use of shaping plans.

I also love AK's idea that the more steps you can put between you and your goal, the better.  nod
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 03:41:31 PM »

  nod nod nod Me too and that's why I don't follow any one person because they all have some ideas that I like  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2010, 01:39:05 PM »

My approach is pretty much the same, and absolutely agree on putting as many steps in between the starting point and the goal  thumbs! On that note, on the step 2 if the horse is reluctant at all to lift the leg, I would start by accepting just a shift of weight to the opposite side...  Or, if the horse is aversive to being touched in his/her legs, then I would start by reinforcing just him accepting the touch. Also, make sure each step is understood by the horse before moving on, ie. don't try to build duration until you're consistently getting the lift.

  If he is struggling with any part, go back to the earlier steps and build up again, the higher the reinforcement rate, the more motivated he will be. 

 nod nod nod

Ash, you should stop putting yourself down for being inexperienced with clicker, you have become extremely well versed in the subject!
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ash
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2010, 02:34:38 PM »

That's very kind of you PK, but I still feel like a total beginner, there is so much to learn!  Embarrassed
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2010, 02:43:01 PM »

There is a lot to learn but that doesn't make you a beginner!  hug
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2010, 12:42:00 PM »

This isn't clicker-related, but for anyone who has an older horse that's dodgy about having its feet picked up - particularly hinds - I wouldn't overlook back problems. We had a gelding on the yard a couple of years ago who was a real nightmare with his hinds. He had to be sold for other reasons but when the new owner had him checked out it turned out he had quite a sore back and had to have physio and time out. I'm pretty sure that was why he was difficult because in all other ways he was as good as gold, bless him.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 02:06:54 PM »

That's a very relevant point  nod  No matter which method we use we should always consider physical or tack problems  nod
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 06:23:43 PM »

Agreed, and with babies, balance issues due to growth spurts, and unfeasibly long legs!  rolleyes
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