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Author Topic: Empowered Horses by Imke Spilker  (Read 919 times)
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« on: August 23, 2010, 11:17:55 AM »

anyone read this one?
I'm still in the first third of the book and having dejá-vus at every paragraph! All that I have learnt through trial and error and all that I take ages to put into words to explain to my friends is stamped in it's pages!

For anyone who's interested in understanding their horse in full I seriously recommend it. All books I read on more "humane" ways to deal with horses where either too poetic or too practical and I never felt any of them really got the point. This book clearly and logically points out the differences and similarities between humans and equids and how both help us comunicate so well if we understand them. I particuarly enjoy how it makes you understand why and how horses can become fascinated by humans and take great interest and joy in the partnership.

For instance, I have tried time and again to explain to people why I do what I do and my horse still loves to be with me and remains calm and joyful no matter what: because to horses what really matters is your intention and not your actions. Why are some horses so depressed even though their owners use no physical force on them whatsoever, and why are some horses so happy even though they're ridden by children with clumsy hands and legs? Civilized societies are so blind on this! we put so much importance on the phisical aspect of things when it's always the thought behind that make us miserable or happy. I can attest for my lil stallion's ease at kicking and biting all the time and he's still the horse that gets along best with all other horses, never creates conflict and is at peace with everybody. He's simply always in a playful mood (though very rough at it) and that's what other horses respond to.

Another example, why does a horse leg yield or shoulder in by your weight aids alone when heading towards a wall or around a bucket but will need rein aids and leg aids to do it in the open? not to mention the eyes that look bored stiff and the interest is gone?

In my humble opinion this is a must have book in every horse lover's collection.
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2010, 01:26:13 PM »

Not heard of this one, Ana, sounds interesting!
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2010, 05:02:37 PM »

Yes I am reading it too and am about 1/4 through.  Love it.  Really looking forward to reading the rest.  Look forward to reading more of your thoughts when you have read more Belbe. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 07:37:16 PM »

Yep, I've got it too.  Lovely book!  thumbs
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 07:59:36 PM »

I'm having difficulty with it because the writing is so small, and there are vast chunks of it so I keep loosing my place!  But yes, it's thought provoking - the questions you never thought of asking!
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 08:34:49 PM »

Great sounds a potential Xmas pressie then, thanks Belbe.
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2010, 08:56:08 PM »

Hadn't heard of this one, but I've just been on Amazon and ordered it along with a couple of others to keep me busy this autumn!

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2010, 11:48:46 AM »

I loved it and even managed to source a collar from a lady selling her iberian cobra showing thingies! I don't think I'll read it again so if anyone wants to make an offer for a pristine 2nd hand one please go ahead, my groaning bookshelves would thank you!
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 01:58:48 PM »

hmm... very thought provoking. Just finished the book and tried to understand where I stand since I'm all pro Klaus Hempfling but agree with everything she says as well and their ideas aren't on the same page on first glance.
After some probing into my own wreck of a brain I finally found the difference. Basically the difference is only in the use of dominance. Imke deals with all horses as fully mature creatures, letting the horse's natural respect for the weaker link to keep her safe. i.e. a horses will always run at the speed of the slowest in the herd and will contain their streght when playing with weaker horses. Add to that her calm, wise leader posture and you've got a safe productive relationship.

Klaus however, deals with all horses as not fully mature creatures and acts with the sort of dominance a parent would use. He calls is lead stallion dominance but a lead stallion would very likely be much more agressive. Like a decent parent, Klaus shows dominance on the same grade as friendship, leadership and unconditioned support. He feels like home to a horse and that's how we feel about considerate parents. With time, friendship and leadership outgrow dominance as the horse matures and no longer feels the need to prove himself to you all the time.

Personally, I find Klaus approach safer. Mares tend to mentally mature quite fast and it's very easy for me to put them at the same level as myself and disregard dominant issues completely. We understand each other, we respect each other and all goes smooth if those 2 pillars are well maintained. As for stallions, after their teens I find it possible to almost reach this level, but never quite so, and with younger stallions that's a big NONO. It's not by chance that in the wild they don't get their own herd before that age! sure they are phisically mature by the age of 6-7, but they still act like spoilt brats! What lady would wanna put up with that? So, same way my parents did with me, dominance it is untill I was wise and mature enough for them to trust our relationship to respect and friendship alone.

anyway, that's my point of view... might just be my personality clouding my judgement, who knows? I do tend to take care of everybody as they where my children, be it my parents, cousins, siblings, friends, pets, whatever, It's just how I've always been. Schoolmates used to call me the guard dog (cos i'm so protective). Horses seem to like that! though I still find it extremely stupid of them to hide behind puny me, but oh well, if that makes them feel safe, all the less trouble for us...  rofl


Oh, another note on this book. Although the horses in the book aren't the best examples to show her knolage (phisical atributes only allow so much), she does have a big advantage to Klaus because she opted to study the great classical masters instead of simply disregarding them. This leads to a good few insights on teaching a horse to better balance and collect himself. I would simply adore to see how a well built Lusitano stallion would come out from her work. Should be quite a sight. Yet I still wonder how much sparkle she could incite in a stallion when she insists on bluntly showing her weakness to the horse. I never saw a stallion show off to an obviously weaker creature, only to those who are at the same level or slightly higher. Too Hight and they will shut down...
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 05:00:57 PM »

Really interesting post. Thanks fiendish. Having not read either all the way through I really should crack on. Thanks again. Smiley

ETA: just re-read my post that was done via predictive text on a phone.  I did not meant to write fiendish  laugh  So apologies if you thought I was being rude!
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 06:51:30 PM »

Belbe, your post is really interesting and I now really want to read the book! I don't agree with your analysis of a stallions' "teens" tho'. Now I've watched a dozen or more horses from "conception to maturity" in my breeding herd over the last 15 years, it is my opinion that horses go through an equivalent stage to stroppy teens at any age between 2 and 4. But, and this is the big thing, it only lasts a couple of weeks. Blink and you'll miss it. Allow bad behaviour to go unchallenged at this stage and you'll have years of grief trying to undo it.

The first thing I notice is that the youngster is no longer allowed to share food with the older horses. While they are regarded as "children" by the herd, they are allowed to take enormous liberties. Then, quite suddenly, they are treated as an adult horse would be, and have to establish their own position, not being psuedo-alpha because the herd all protect them. With colts, you find that they may start fighting in a bachelor herd or start getting picked on. When you bring them in, the sweet youngster that was is testing all the boundaries, sometimes in a very scary way. That is when the inner steel needs to be apparent!

By the time a stallion reaches its teens in real years, it is old. A stallion who displays bad behaviour past 5 or 6 is dangerous, because that behaviour must have been confirmed in maturity, it is not youthful boundary testing.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 07:50:49 PM »

if anyone wants to make an offer for a pristine 2nd hand one please go ahead, my groaning bookshelves would thank you!

I may be interested - can you pm me what you would like to sell it for?
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