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« on: August 01, 2010, 09:59:07 PM »

OK this is following on from a question on the piaffe thread that Pikku Karhu asked me regarding what I had used to avoid Moralejo avoiding flexion in the haunches by rushing.
In brief, for those who haven't followed my blog, he is a PRE, rather square, big bellied (well big everywhere  laugh) and a speed freak.
Basically he doesn't do anything without rushing (include eating in that list  nod) and so lunging, in-hand, schooling, hacking are all done fast!
I now work him bitless because along with fast we used to have head tossing.
My main aim now is to keep him supple and moving rather than create a future GP star  laugh as he is 14 and not as supple as he used to be. He's not a bronco or nasty, just a boy who (like his dad) is rather full of beans.

So for PK here is what we work and have worked on to stop the rushing/avoidance.

Firstly the mental stuff............

I've had to win the mental balance by getting his trust; CT and lots of in-hand have helped and wearing a smile when he's being a plonker helped too.
I've learned when to push a little and when to back off, very important because he can lose confidence very easily if you push at the wrong time!
Say good LOTS because otherwise he gets very deflated! Of course only on merit but when deserved mega praise.

Physical stuff.........just a few of the things that have helped...

In-hand lots of lateral work, slowing the pace but still encouraging the hinds by touching the hinds with the whip. Rein-back to walk and trot, raising the hand to slow the forehand and teaching him to do this on his own from the voice command 'up'. Giravolta/halt/rein back/giravolta  thumbs this is a **** exercise for rushing.

Lunging, lots of transitions but most importantly trans from 'up' (as described above in the in-hand work) on a small circle with lunge whip pointing to haunches to 'down' stretchy trot on a larger circle.
Lots of changes of rein (I work from a halter/head collar) and start the new rein with giravolta into trot giravolta and then make circle larger before changing the rein and repeating.

Ridden work is the MOST challenging  whistle but we do the usual slowing with the seat (5/10) which has led to some playing with counted walk (6/10) turning from seat alone (6/10). Giravolta and lateral work have strengthened/focussed him lots and you can feel the avoidances and correct them (I just need to be ready to correct before it happens  wallbash). The one thing you just can't do is straight  whistle, of course that is what you end up with but it's not the means it's the end, otherwise you just get total avoidance in the back end department  nod
Rein back (out on our tracks up hill is good for this) and I use rein back and halts as a means /to get him back off his front end (along the lines of Philippe Karl 'ish) and shift the weight back (8/10) and I use a little effet d'ensemble (hand with leg as a 'gathering' of energy) (9/10 when used with caution).

OMG I'll cut this short here 'cos it's already way to long (sorry you asked now Johanna  laugh) but suffice to say we're STILL on the journey, it's got lots better but he's been a challenge  wallbash even if I do love him to bits.
So if anyone thinks of anything else (believe me this post is by no means exhaustive in terms of what I've tried) please share and if anyone else has a Moo to compare notes please feel free. I LOVE forward horses but this one was sent to test that love.
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2010, 12:53:31 AM »

Thank you Trudi - I'm very glad now I asked!  thumbs thumbs thumbs

With my speed monster, we're on the beginning steps, only just starting to introduce the basics of the in-hand work proper... so it's very much the case of very high reinforcement rate with clicker, rewarding  calm steps before he has a chance to rush - and it took a lot of building up with both liberty work and in-hand work in halter to even be able to access proper in-hand work (by which I mean Becky style). I also find that I can often slow him down in in-hand work by engaging my core & breathing in at the same time - he is very sensitive to body language - and I need to be 100% focused, and 100% zen myself, when working with him. Moo sounds very similar to Jensen regarding praise, too! Also I've learned that if he gets rushy, I generally need to go back a step (or ten... how many ever I need to in order to find calm again) but I can see that in the future it'll be a challenge when we'll be working on things that require more engagement and energy but still keeping calm.... so it's great to to be able to draw on your experience with Moo  thumbs! I will prob keep bombarding you with lots of similar questions in the future... so please don't cut it short!

I shall try the holding my tongue in the middle of my mouth... Undecided  laugh though I already know that holding my breath makes things worse as it makes me tense which in turn makes him tense which triggers more rushing...
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2010, 07:21:58 PM »

And there I thought you'd had a proposal devil
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2010, 08:20:36 PM »

And there I thought you'd had a proposal devil

 rofl rofl rofl


Johanna, I think that  CT could just as easily stand for confidence training  nod I just wish I'd known more about it a long time ago as it does give Moo such a confidence boost and quite simply his rushing (I believe) is down to his lack of confidence in many different situations. I'm sure you won't have these issues with Jensen as you're framing his training in this way right from the start, that's the wonderful thing for me now that Chapiro is working, I can use all the stuff I've learned from Moo  nod
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2010, 09:40:02 PM »

Confidence training - great, I like that!  laugh I think the confidence comes from the clarity of communication that clicker brings about.  nod

My latest CT experiment with addressing rushing: incorporate lots of quiet work (standing still, head lowering) in-between asking for lateral work, and keep the quiet work on high reinforcement rate so it's got value. I really like the results I got so will keep experimenting!
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 07:34:50 AM »

My latest CT experiment with addressing rushing: incorporate lots of quiet work (standing still, head lowering) in-between asking for lateral work, and keep the quiet work on high reinforcement rate so it's got value. I really like the results I got so will keep experimenting!

I think this is a real winner  nod clicker already makes you split the work down into easily manageable bites and asking for 'quiet' stuff in between movements can really keep the focus  thumbs
I remember many years ago when I was still in the UK and a Portuguese chap at a yard I taught at used to bring a horse out, work a little and then stop and light up a ciggy, smoke it at standstill on a long rein and then continue  laugh in those days it really struck a chord as so many folks were belting round the arena getting 'relaxation' and this guy and his luso's were as chilled as anything. It's something (minus the smoking) that I do with Moo.
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