Ha I made a rhyme!!!
I think I have found the bit for Dan! A tripple barrel mullen mouthed dee from myler! I tried several types of snaffles (which he HATED) and a mullen mouth apple mouth bit, (which was better, but not yet OK and to fat for his mouth) so I rented 2 mylers, put the tripple barrel on and he was a differnt horse, he didnt mouth at me, didnt root or stargaze (unless he was just being a goof...which is his personality) so Horray for Dan the Man!!!
I have the bit for a week to see if I want that one or not...But already I think it might be the right bit!
Now if I could just get a saddle that fits